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	<description>Neil Kramer is a writer in Los Angeles.  Citizen of the Month is his blog.  Make yourself at home.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: maitresse</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2008/04/25/back-to-the-shtetl/#comment-224825</link>
		<dc:creator>maitresse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 12:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha. Did you read Operation Shylock (Philip Roth)? You should. 

I would end this with a hearty "am yisrael chai!" but I did that on a friend's blog once which prompted a lot of vicious insults. so I'll just say "l'chaim!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha. Did you read Operation Shylock (Philip Roth)? You should. </p>
<p>I would end this with a hearty &#8220;am yisrael chai!&#8221; but I did that on a friend&#8217;s blog once which prompted a lot of vicious insults. so I&#8217;ll just say &#8220;l&#8217;chaim!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Helena</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2008/04/25/back-to-the-shtetl/#comment-224609</link>
		<dc:creator>Helena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, Neil, can you please hook me up with some of these "chosen people"?  No big thing just, next time you're having a meeting, mention this lovely little Shiksa over in Eagle Rock who would love to learn how to make potato pancakes just the way you remember them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, Neil, can you please hook me up with some of these &#8220;chosen people&#8221;?  No big thing just, next time you&#8217;re having a meeting, mention this lovely little Shiksa over in Eagle Rock who would love to learn how to make potato pancakes just the way you remember them!</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2008/04/25/back-to-the-shtetl/#comment-224514</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel is the only sane, progressive country in the middle East.  She is needed as an anchor and an ally.

I also believe that if the Palestine sympathizers really knew the history, and the monstrosity of religious ideals that lay behind Palestinian suicide bombers, they would not be so quick to name Israel the aggressor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is the only sane, progressive country in the middle East.  She is needed as an anchor and an ally.</p>
<p>I also believe that if the Palestine sympathizers really knew the history, and the monstrosity of religious ideals that lay behind Palestinian suicide bombers, they would not be so quick to name Israel the aggressor.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2008/04/25/back-to-the-shtetl/#comment-224508</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dangy -- Good points.  Although I think the word terrorist takes on a slightly different tone in modern times.  The Americans throwing tea in the water or fighting against the British Army is not really "terrorism" in my book, even if the British said so at the time.  The were involved in military action. Even Iraquis blowing up a military jeep is not "terrorism."  Even Palestinians fighting against Israeli army members is not terrorism.  Killing athletes at the Olympics, hijacking planes and flying them into the World Trade Center, shooting people on cruise ships, blowing up cafes with teenagers drinking soda is "terrorism."  I agree.  Conversation is the best solution.  But there's usually not much of it going on.  And I hate to be one-sided, but most of it from the Arab world.  Talk about media bias!  Have you see some of the cartoons and children shows where Israelis and Jews are portrayed as demons.  It is a happy day when Israeli children are blown up.  Israel has become the boogy-man for the Arab world, especially in those countries stuck in the past. I think this is probably the first step -- acknowledging the other's humanity, and for everyone to stop using the Middle East's conflicts for their own selfish philosophies and purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dangy &#8212; Good points.  Although I think the word terrorist takes on a slightly different tone in modern times.  The Americans throwing tea in the water or fighting against the British Army is not really &#8220;terrorism&#8221; in my book, even if the British said so at the time.  The were involved in military action. Even Iraquis blowing up a military jeep is not &#8220;terrorism.&#8221;  Even Palestinians fighting against Israeli army members is not terrorism.  Killing athletes at the Olympics, hijacking planes and flying them into the World Trade Center, shooting people on cruise ships, blowing up cafes with teenagers drinking soda is &#8220;terrorism.&#8221;  I agree.  Conversation is the best solution.  But there&#8217;s usually not much of it going on.  And I hate to be one-sided, but most of it from the Arab world.  Talk about media bias!  Have you see some of the cartoons and children shows where Israelis and Jews are portrayed as demons.  It is a happy day when Israeli children are blown up.  Israel has become the boogy-man for the Arab world, especially in those countries stuck in the past. I think this is probably the first step &#8212; acknowledging the other&#8217;s humanity, and for everyone to stop using the Middle East&#8217;s conflicts for their own selfish philosophies and purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2008/04/25/back-to-the-shtetl/#comment-224505</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

What is sad is that you can't support your allegations with anything resembling fact. Just a lot of smoke.

It is not that hard to provide support for statements,especially when the internet makes it so easy to do the research.

&lt;i&gt;And open dialogue means not shutting down when someone says something with which you do not agree.&lt;/i&gt;

Open dialogue works when both parties are open to it. I'll provide a real world example.

Some people have excoriated Israel for not sitting down with Hamas. Here is the problem. Take a look at these excerpts from the &lt;a href="http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Hamas Charter&lt;/a&gt; which calls for the destruction of the state of Israel.

You don't make peace with people who want to kill you. You don't wave flags and flowers at people who intentionally slaughter others.

Watch this &lt;a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=jFoLYXzkEyU" rel="nofollow"&gt;video&lt;/a&gt; and tell me how many military targets you see.

If the Hamas only attacked soldiers. If they only went after true military targets it would be one thing, but they do not.

Your mother, your father, sister, brother, whomever are all legitimate targets to them.

&lt;a href="http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/72" rel="nofollow"&gt;Pregnant Mother and Four daughters murdered&lt;/a&gt;

Just to reiterate, I don't agree with everything that Israel has done. They are certainly not above blame and they share responsibility.

But this is so much more complex than the media portrays it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>What is sad is that you can&#8217;t support your allegations with anything resembling fact. Just a lot of smoke.</p>
<p>It is not that hard to provide support for statements,especially when the internet makes it so easy to do the research.</p>
<p><i>And open dialogue means not shutting down when someone says something with which you do not agree.</i></p>
<p>Open dialogue works when both parties are open to it. I&#8217;ll provide a real world example.</p>
<p>Some people have excoriated Israel for not sitting down with Hamas. Here is the problem. Take a look at these excerpts from the <a href="http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html" rel="nofollow">The Hamas Charter</a> which calls for the destruction of the state of Israel.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t make peace with people who want to kill you. You don&#8217;t wave flags and flowers at people who intentionally slaughter others.</p>
<p>Watch this <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=jFoLYXzkEyU" rel="nofollow">video</a> and tell me how many military targets you see.</p>
<p>If the Hamas only attacked soldiers. If they only went after true military targets it would be one thing, but they do not.</p>
<p>Your mother, your father, sister, brother, whomever are all legitimate targets to them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/72" rel="nofollow">Pregnant Mother and Four daughters murdered</a></p>
<p>Just to reiterate, I don&#8217;t agree with everything that Israel has done. They are certainly not above blame and they share responsibility.</p>
<p>But this is so much more complex than the media portrays it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveX</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're a sad dude, Jack. You can't live in peace without first having someone write you out a proof!? The trick is commonly known as apathy, but I prefer to think of it as not overstepping my bounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a sad dude, Jack. You can&#8217;t live in peace without first having someone write you out a proof!? The trick is commonly known as apathy, but I prefer to think of it as not overstepping my bounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Dagny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dagny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to say thank you to Sue Bob for clarifying a point I knew to be true.

The rest of this stuff?  While I have never had problems with the Jewish people, I have had problems with the state of Israel.  And the use of the term "terrorist"?  Why is that sometimes we use the term "terrorist" and at other times we use the term "patriot"?  Through connotation they two words can mean drastically different things.  Yet I doubt that the English would call those involved in the American Revolution "patriots."  It's all about perspective.

And if I'm fighting for land upon which my family has lived for whatever number of years, then I'd like to think that I am being a patriot.  And yes, I understand how other people may believe that this has always been their land.  But so do other people.  Violence and apartheid has already been tried to no avail.  Perhaps it is time for a truly honest and painful conversation.  I say "painful" because when people start speaking their truths, someone usually feels hurt and defensive along the way.  But it's only through truly open dialogue, in my opinion, that there is any hope of peace.  And open dialogue means not shutting down when someone says something with which you do not agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to say thank you to Sue Bob for clarifying a point I knew to be true.</p>
<p>The rest of this stuff?  While I have never had problems with the Jewish people, I have had problems with the state of Israel.  And the use of the term &#8220;terrorist&#8221;?  Why is that sometimes we use the term &#8220;terrorist&#8221; and at other times we use the term &#8220;patriot&#8221;?  Through connotation they two words can mean drastically different things.  Yet I doubt that the English would call those involved in the American Revolution &#8220;patriots.&#8221;  It&#8217;s all about perspective.</p>
<p>And if I&#8217;m fighting for land upon which my family has lived for whatever number of years, then I&#8217;d like to think that I am being a patriot.  And yes, I understand how other people may believe that this has always been their land.  But so do other people.  Violence and apartheid has already been tried to no avail.  Perhaps it is time for a truly honest and painful conversation.  I say &#8220;painful&#8221; because when people start speaking their truths, someone usually feels hurt and defensive along the way.  But it&#8217;s only through truly open dialogue, in my opinion, that there is any hope of peace.  And open dialogue means not shutting down when someone says something with which you do not agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, I won't change it.  As proof that I can be as ignorant as everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, I won&#8217;t change it.  As proof that I can be as ignorant as everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Suebob.  I'll go change it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Suebob.  I&#8217;ll go change it.</p>
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		<title>By: Suebob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Side note: Sikhs are required by their faith to wear turbans. Hindus are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Side note: Sikhs are required by their faith to wear turbans. Hindus are not.</p>
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