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		<title>By: Susan Downs</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2008/01/07/the-slummification-of-kissena-boulevard/comment-page-3/#comment-293789</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon, I am sad that you have such negative memories of your Jewish neighbors.  Perhaps it will make you feel better to try to offer some perspective from the Jewish side.  First, let me offer that the Jews did not rub Pomonok any more than ayone else who lived there.  The Housing Authority ran the project, and all our families paid rent according to their incomes on a sliding scale. We all took the rent checks to the same office and were subject to the same rules.  There was never preference given to any ethnic group that I know of.  If you mean that there were more Jewish residents than non-Jewish, I suppose that is possible, but I don&#039;t have the statistics.  In my building (from 1952 to1978, when I moved to Long Island), I would guess that it was 70% Jewish.  We got along well together.  

This is where I would like to share my mother&#039;s experience that is similar to your own.  Several ladies in our building went to the same Catholic church.  It drove my mother nuts that any conversation with them always centered around their church, with references, by name, to the &quot;sisters.&quot;  These conversations made my mother just as uncomfortable as you felt among Jewish people.  There was nothing in common they could discuss.  They came from two different worlds.

Back in those post-WWII years, rhings were very different from today.  Jewish families were still led by survivors of Hitler&#039;s death camps.  It was difficult to find any commonality with Gentiles, and vice versa.  We kids were told that we were to marry people of our own religions and nationalities.  My Lutherin best friend, Lynn, told me her father did not want her playing with Jewish children.  I became the exception to his rule, although Lynn continued to have other Jewish playmates.  It was a time when people were put into what I see as &quot;boxes&quot; that defined them according to religion and nationality.  To my generation, this was limiting, annoying and didn&#039;t make sense.  To me, it will always define New York.  When I moved to California, I discovered a wonderful world in which people liked you for who you were, and no one asked me my religion.  It was so different!

What I&#039;m trying to say to you, Sharon, is that that discomfort you felt existed among all of us.  Our parents&#039; generation did not want their kids marrying outside their ethnic and religious groups, so families never gave themselves a chance to get to know people from different backgrounds.  My generation made choices that sometimes made Mama happy and sometimes got ourselves excommunicated from the family.  But the point is that it was a complicated society of people struggling to support their families.  We had amazing parents, all of us, who worked their hearts out so that we could have the memories that we cherish today.

Blessings,
Susan Downs (nee Singer)
Yale, Oklahoma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon, I am sad that you have such negative memories of your Jewish neighbors.  Perhaps it will make you feel better to try to offer some perspective from the Jewish side.  First, let me offer that the Jews did not rub Pomonok any more than ayone else who lived there.  The Housing Authority ran the project, and all our families paid rent according to their incomes on a sliding scale. We all took the rent checks to the same office and were subject to the same rules.  There was never preference given to any ethnic group that I know of.  If you mean that there were more Jewish residents than non-Jewish, I suppose that is possible, but I don&#8217;t have the statistics.  In my building (from 1952 to1978, when I moved to Long Island), I would guess that it was 70% Jewish.  We got along well together.  </p>
<p>This is where I would like to share my mother&#8217;s experience that is similar to your own.  Several ladies in our building went to the same Catholic church.  It drove my mother nuts that any conversation with them always centered around their church, with references, by name, to the &#8220;sisters.&#8221;  These conversations made my mother just as uncomfortable as you felt among Jewish people.  There was nothing in common they could discuss.  They came from two different worlds.</p>
<p>Back in those post-WWII years, rhings were very different from today.  Jewish families were still led by survivors of Hitler&#8217;s death camps.  It was difficult to find any commonality with Gentiles, and vice versa.  We kids were told that we were to marry people of our own religions and nationalities.  My Lutherin best friend, Lynn, told me her father did not want her playing with Jewish children.  I became the exception to his rule, although Lynn continued to have other Jewish playmates.  It was a time when people were put into what I see as &#8220;boxes&#8221; that defined them according to religion and nationality.  To my generation, this was limiting, annoying and didn&#8217;t make sense.  To me, it will always define New York.  When I moved to California, I discovered a wonderful world in which people liked you for who you were, and no one asked me my religion.  It was so different!</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m trying to say to you, Sharon, is that that discomfort you felt existed among all of us.  Our parents&#8217; generation did not want their kids marrying outside their ethnic and religious groups, so families never gave themselves a chance to get to know people from different backgrounds.  My generation made choices that sometimes made Mama happy and sometimes got ourselves excommunicated from the family.  But the point is that it was a complicated society of people struggling to support their families.  We had amazing parents, all of us, who worked their hearts out so that we could have the memories that we cherish today.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Susan Downs (nee Singer)<br />
Yale, Oklahoma</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in Maryland now, I was so caught up with rembering the good old days.  Then I read your comment and it brought it even more back to life.  Yea, I remember, it was the &quot;jews&quot;  (as you put it) that ran Pomonok.  The &quot;jews&quot; that made everyone else uncomfortable.  The &quot;jews&quot; that thought they were better.  And we as kids believed it.  Now I know you had the same income level that we had to be eligible to live there. Your parents were working class like my banker parents, and you had no more than I did. I am glad that today there is a more diverse neighborhood, or my brother would not have married his &quot;culturally&quot; different wife, and I wouldn&#039;t have beautiful neices and nephews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in Maryland now, I was so caught up with rembering the good old days.  Then I read your comment and it brought it even more back to life.  Yea, I remember, it was the &#8220;jews&#8221;  (as you put it) that ran Pomonok.  The &#8220;jews&#8221; that made everyone else uncomfortable.  The &#8220;jews&#8221; that thought they were better.  And we as kids believed it.  Now I know you had the same income level that we had to be eligible to live there. Your parents were working class like my banker parents, and you had no more than I did. I am glad that today there is a more diverse neighborhood, or my brother would not have married his &#8220;culturally&#8221; different wife, and I wouldn&#8217;t have beautiful neices and nephews.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 03:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MOst the stores on kissena are closed and they gonna keep closing cus most people around here are losing jobs daily and no money to buy things, and crime round this area is increasing, shootings, assaults, robberies, queens college students getting mugged at night by young men, now the neighborhood majority is blacks, hispanics, asians and afghans, not that many jews like before , pomonok is predominately blacks and Hispanics and the elderly, and the blue buildings on kissena is occupied by Hispanics and blacks  but majority that occupies the blue buildings is Afghans. the elderly folks in pomonok don&#039;t come out anymore when it gets dark due to all the problems happening now in pomonok. This July 4th that just past, their were 2 shootings, i think if I&#039;m not mistaken around Jewel and kissena blvd, no one was hurt in the first shooting but the 2nd shooting happen later in the day and it left a mother dead, she was shot in the head, and her son shot in the chest, injured. the crazy part was the 2 shootings were no way connected to each other and happen the same day in the same area. After 8 or 9ish the kissena blvd is dead, no one outside except for groups of young guys roaming the streets in numbers between 2 to maybe 6 or 7 or more. I&#039;m not exaggerating this, i&#039;m just saying what is usually seen by me and my family. this neighborhood has completely changed and is now in my opinion definitely looking like slums. The people in the neighborhood now are between the ranges of being poor or the lower middle class, just enough to survive. It&#039;s disappointing seeing this area like this. Parsons JHS closed down too in 2007 and reopened with the rfk middle school in it and QSI, but there is no more Parsons JHS 168. The wendys is gone, the Blockbuster is gone, the 2 gas stations on Kissena Blvd across the street from National Wholesale are gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MOst the stores on kissena are closed and they gonna keep closing cus most people around here are losing jobs daily and no money to buy things, and crime round this area is increasing, shootings, assaults, robberies, queens college students getting mugged at night by young men, now the neighborhood majority is blacks, hispanics, asians and afghans, not that many jews like before , pomonok is predominately blacks and Hispanics and the elderly, and the blue buildings on kissena is occupied by Hispanics and blacks  but majority that occupies the blue buildings is Afghans. the elderly folks in pomonok don&#8217;t come out anymore when it gets dark due to all the problems happening now in pomonok. This July 4th that just past, their were 2 shootings, i think if I&#8217;m not mistaken around Jewel and kissena blvd, no one was hurt in the first shooting but the 2nd shooting happen later in the day and it left a mother dead, she was shot in the head, and her son shot in the chest, injured. the crazy part was the 2 shootings were no way connected to each other and happen the same day in the same area. After 8 or 9ish the kissena blvd is dead, no one outside except for groups of young guys roaming the streets in numbers between 2 to maybe 6 or 7 or more. I&#8217;m not exaggerating this, i&#8217;m just saying what is usually seen by me and my family. this neighborhood has completely changed and is now in my opinion definitely looking like slums. The people in the neighborhood now are between the ranges of being poor or the lower middle class, just enough to survive. It&#8217;s disappointing seeing this area like this. Parsons JHS closed down too in 2007 and reopened with the rfk middle school in it and QSI, but there is no more Parsons JHS 168. The wendys is gone, the Blockbuster is gone, the 2 gas stations on Kissena Blvd across the street from National Wholesale are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this article  is old, but I grew up in the Garden apartments right across the parking lot behind what was once Wainwright&#039;s which eventually became National Wholesale Liquidators. When I read this article I actually got misty eyed... I know places change over time, but this just breaks my heart.. Just this past week I was talking about the bakery and the star deli with my wife.. looking at the photo Aguilar behind Walbaums had me remembering laying in the grass in the 1st court looking up at those buildings and the one&#039;s across 71st ave in Pomonok. It really was once a great neighborhood... I often talk about how diverse it was...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this article  is old, but I grew up in the Garden apartments right across the parking lot behind what was once Wainwright&#8217;s which eventually became National Wholesale Liquidators. When I read this article I actually got misty eyed&#8230; I know places change over time, but this just breaks my heart.. Just this past week I was talking about the bakery and the star deli with my wife.. looking at the photo Aguilar behind Walbaums had me remembering laying in the grass in the 1st court looking up at those buildings and the one&#8217;s across 71st ave in Pomonok. It really was once a great neighborhood&#8230; I often talk about how diverse it was&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have so many happy memories of our wonderful childhood days. I remember the stores, and got my first Gary Lewis and the playboys record in Wainwright!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have so many happy memories of our wonderful childhood days. I remember the stores, and got my first Gary Lewis and the playboys record in Wainwright!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What memories!  I grew up in Pomonok, 1950&#039;s, and then my parents.bought a small cape cod on 168th St in the &#039;60&#039;s off 71st Ave.  Went to the same schools. Great years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What memories!  I grew up in Pomonok, 1950&#8242;s, and then my parents.bought a small cape cod on 168th St in the &#8217;60&#8242;s off 71st Ave.  Went to the same schools. Great years!</p>
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		<title>By: Judi Rubin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judi Rubin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived at 154-05 71st Ave(corner of Kissena Blvd) 1951-1964. My Grandparents lived at 154-01 from 1955 until the mid 80&#039;s. The  comment  written by my friend Susan Singer expresses exactly how I feel. This is a now forgotten neighborhood and I feel saddened by it&#039;s current condition.  I have so many happy memories of a lively, busy Kissena Blvd. and they will always remain that way. I visited the old neighborhood in 2005 and thought it looked tired and worn, but now it looks dead... So sad for the people who still live there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived at 154-05 71st Ave(corner of Kissena Blvd) 1951-1964. My Grandparents lived at 154-01 from 1955 until the mid 80&#8242;s. The  comment  written by my friend Susan Singer expresses exactly how I feel. This is a now forgotten neighborhood and I feel saddened by it&#8217;s current condition.  I have so many happy memories of a lively, busy Kissena Blvd. and they will always remain that way. I visited the old neighborhood in 2005 and thought it looked tired and worn, but now it looks dead&#8230; So sad for the people who still live there.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I lived in Pomonok 67-15 kissena blvd moved out in 1962. Lived in Bayside then Brentwood then moved to Coconut Creek Fl  (township) from 1988-until 4yrs ago. My Mother-in-law lived in windmore. Now I am back in NY. I go back and see friends and family. Where do you live in coconut creek alot of  people don&#039;t know the place. Love the festival flea market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I lived in Pomonok 67-15 kissena blvd moved out in 1962. Lived in Bayside then Brentwood then moved to Coconut Creek Fl  (township) from 1988-until 4yrs ago. My Mother-in-law lived in windmore. Now I am back in NY. I go back and see friends and family. Where do you live in coconut creek alot of  people don&#8217;t know the place. Love the festival flea market.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen&#38;Sylvia Rosenfeld Coconut Creek Fl.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen&#38;Sylvia Rosenfeld Coconut Creek Fl.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wiife &amp; I moved into Electchester in1953 when we got married. we raised 2 daughters there &amp; enjoyed the area very much. We moved upstate NY in 1969 when the girls started High School. Some of our old friends still live there. It is ashame what happens to an area afterso many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wiife &amp; I moved into Electchester in1953 when we got married. we raised 2 daughters there &amp; enjoyed the area very much. We moved upstate NY in 1969 when the girls started High School. Some of our old friends still live there. It is ashame what happens to an area afterso many years.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan (nee Singer) Downs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan (nee Singer) Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings a flood of tears from my eyes.  My brothers and I grew up at 70-25 Kissena Blvd., between 71st and Jewel Avenues.  It was a good neighborhood in which to grow up, nothing like what I saw in these horrifying photos.  I am sad beyond words.  I don&#039;t understand what has happened to our country, to pride in one&#039;s country, neighborhood, and values instilled by our hard-working parents.  This is devastating to me.  My brothers have both been back for a visit, over the years, but I haven&#039;t been able to do so.  It was sad enough to hear that Gloria Pizza on Main Street Flushing had closed, but this is a real blow.  To all the people who still live in my old neighborhood, you are missing the best years in which I was blessed to grow up in a pleasant, &quot;real&quot; neighborhood that still holds sweet memories for the three of us Singer kids.  Why couldn&#039;t those who destroyed &quot;my&quot; neighborhood respect it?  WHY?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings a flood of tears from my eyes.  My brothers and I grew up at 70-25 Kissena Blvd., between 71st and Jewel Avenues.  It was a good neighborhood in which to grow up, nothing like what I saw in these horrifying photos.  I am sad beyond words.  I don&#8217;t understand what has happened to our country, to pride in one&#8217;s country, neighborhood, and values instilled by our hard-working parents.  This is devastating to me.  My brothers have both been back for a visit, over the years, but I haven&#8217;t been able to do so.  It was sad enough to hear that Gloria Pizza on Main Street Flushing had closed, but this is a real blow.  To all the people who still live in my old neighborhood, you are missing the best years in which I was blessed to grow up in a pleasant, &#8220;real&#8221; neighborhood that still holds sweet memories for the three of us Singer kids.  Why couldn&#8217;t those who destroyed &#8220;my&#8221; neighborhood respect it?  WHY?</p>
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