Comments on: Talking Guns with NSC http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/ Neil Kramer is a writer in Los Angeles. Citizen of the Month is his blog. Make yourself at home. Fri, 16 May 2008 20:57:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Citizen of the Month » Why You All Suck Compared to My Mother http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-224390 Citizen of the Month » Why You All Suck Compared to My Mother Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:22:15 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-224390 [...] A Year Ago On Citizen of the Month:  Talking Guns with NSC [...] [...] A Year Ago On Citizen of the Month:  Talking Guns with NSC [...]

]]> By: Citizen of the Month » Talking Health Care with Psychotoddler http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-201219 Citizen of the Month » Talking Health Care with Psychotoddler Tue, 22 May 2007 08:02:53 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-201219 [...] A few weeks ago, Not So Confidential answered some of my questions about gun control. I enjoyed the format.   I doubt that he changed the minds of most of my wimpy liberal Bush-hating readers, but it was cool to hear the other side of the story.  And believe me, while I love Danny and his Huffington Post friends, I’d rather have NSC standing next to me during a bar room brawl.  [...] [...] A few weeks ago, Not So Confidential answered some of my questions about gun control. I enjoyed the format.   I doubt that he changed the minds of most of my wimpy liberal Bush-hating readers, but it was cool to hear the other side of the story.  And believe me, while I love Danny and his Huffington Post friends, I’d rather have NSC standing next to me during a bar room brawl.  [...]

]]> By: nelumbo http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-195223 nelumbo Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:56:52 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-195223 Interesting post. Living in the South has made me more open-minded about concealed weapon permits and owning a gun. If you live in a rural area, it's really up to you to defend yourself and your family. Well instead of arming the students maybe we should arm the teachers. How about I get a concealed weapon permit and take a gun into the classroom??? It's a little more brave than my current plan of diving under a desk. Interesting post. Living in the South has made me more open-minded about concealed weapon permits and owning a gun. If you live in a rural area, it’s really up to you to defend yourself and your family.

Well instead of arming the students maybe we should arm the teachers. How about I get a concealed weapon permit and take a gun into the classroom??? It’s a little more brave than my current plan of diving under a desk.

]]> By: Jack http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194725 Jack Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:10:09 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194725 If people want guns they are going to get them, legally or otherwise. That doesn't mean that I think that everyone should own a gun, but I think that it is a pipe dream to suggest that waiting periods would have stopped this from happening. And I feel the same way about the assertion that armed students could have stopped this. There is no guarantee that they could have. If someone is willing to die so that they can murder others you are going to face a terrible problem. I agree with the comments above about the sad state of mental health. We have to better than this. If people want guns they are going to get them, legally or otherwise. That doesn’t mean that I think that everyone should own a gun, but I think that it is a pipe dream to suggest that waiting periods would have stopped this from happening.

And I feel the same way about the assertion that armed students could have stopped this. There is no guarantee that they could have.

If someone is willing to die so that they can murder others you are going to face a terrible problem.

I agree with the comments above about the sad state of mental health. We have to better than this.

]]> By: Susan http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194537 Susan Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:16:39 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194537 Thanks you two for the informative and well thought out post. I certainly don't think the V-tech shootings really should be blamed on gun control laws or the guy who sold Cho the gun. I think it was the way his mental illness was not admininstered correctly that was the issue at hand. Had he received proper treatment for his possible delutional/paranoid schizophrenia; this incident could have been prevented. And I believe he was crazy, but he did know the difference between right and wrong. It was clearly premeditated and in cold blood. Also, about buying his gun 30 days later making the total time 60 days; it appeared that he had planned this for some time, and perhaps he would have scooted it up 30 days prior, or even summer school as one suggested. Thanks you two for the informative and well thought out post. I certainly don’t think the V-tech shootings really should be blamed on gun control laws or the guy who sold Cho the gun. I think it was the way his mental illness was not admininstered correctly that was the issue at hand. Had he received proper treatment for his possible delutional/paranoid schizophrenia; this incident could have been prevented. And I believe he was crazy, but he did know the difference between right and wrong. It was clearly premeditated and in cold blood.

Also, about buying his gun 30 days later making the total time 60 days; it appeared that he had planned this for some time, and perhaps he would have scooted it up 30 days prior, or even summer school as one suggested.

]]> By: Eileen http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194379 Eileen Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:58:33 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194379 Interesting post and well thought out. One concern I have in the US is that gun shows do not require the same screening process that a gun show does- this is a significant loop hole in my opinion. I don't have a problem with people having guns,but I do believe we should regulate who has them and require them to account for where those weapons are (if they are lost, stolen or sold) Interesting post and well thought out. One concern I have in the US is that gun shows do not require the same screening process that a gun show does- this is a significant loop hole in my opinion. I don’t have a problem with people having guns,but I do believe we should regulate who has them and require them to account for where those weapons are (if they are lost, stolen or sold)

]]> By: psychotoddler http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194348 psychotoddler Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:54:52 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194348 Danny: There's something called "The National Practitioner's Databank" that all physicians are required to be registered with. Any time a practitioner is involved in anything compromising, whether it's a lawsuit, or being kicked off a hospital staff, he must report it, or the other involved parties must report it. Then, if he tries to leave the state and start over, he cannot elude his past. It's sometimes unfair, but it does prevent really bad doctors from setting up shop in a neighboring state. Something like that needs to be available for potential gun owners. If you observe scary behavior in an individual, and think that this person shouldn't have a gun, you should be able to report into this databank, and gun sellers should have to check it first. Now, I see all kinds of abuse potential for such a system, which is why it doesn't exist. But that's really what we're talking about. Everyone who says (in 20/20 hindsight) that this guy should have been picked up and prevented from buying a weapon is really saying they want this Big Brother type system in place. Danny:

There’s something called “The National Practitioner’s Databank” that all physicians are required to be registered with. Any time a practitioner is involved in anything compromising, whether it’s a lawsuit, or being kicked off a hospital staff, he must report it, or the other involved parties must report it. Then, if he tries to leave the state and start over, he cannot elude his past. It’s sometimes unfair, but it does prevent really bad doctors from setting up shop in a neighboring state.

Something like that needs to be available for potential gun owners. If you observe scary behavior in an individual, and think that this person shouldn’t have a gun, you should be able to report into this databank, and gun sellers should have to check it first.

Now, I see all kinds of abuse potential for such a system, which is why it doesn’t exist. But that’s really what we’re talking about. Everyone who says (in 20/20 hindsight) that this guy should have been picked up and prevented from buying a weapon is really saying they want this Big Brother type system in place.

]]> By: Neil http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194249 Neil Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:35:51 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194249 Once again, thanks NSC. I like this format. Let someone else do all the thinking, and I get a good blog post! Cynical -- he's a lover, not a fighter. Once again, thanks NSC. I like this format. Let someone else do all the thinking, and I get a good blog post!

Cynical — he’s a lover, not a fighter.

]]> By: Cho=PDI http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194222 Cho=PDI Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:33:23 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194222 Well, I don't think he was very mentally ill, if at all, but let us let the experts determine that. As far as gun laws, no matter what, Cho or any gun wielding thug can get a gun if they are determined to do so. Cho was not diagnosed correctly as a PDI, if he was, this whole unfortunate incident could have been avoided. Well,

I don’t think he was very mentally ill, if at all, but let us let the experts determine that.

As far as gun laws, no matter what, Cho or any gun wielding thug can get a gun if they are determined to do so.

Cho was not diagnosed correctly as a PDI, if he was, this whole unfortunate incident could have been avoided.

]]> By: The Cynical Girl http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194214 The Cynical Girl Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:03:05 +0000 http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2007/04/22/talking-guns-with-nsc/#comment-194214 I was hoping for a penis-view of guns. I was hoping for a penis-view of guns.

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