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	<title>Comments on: Sorry, Jews:  My First Retraction (Sort of)</title>
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		<title>By: mcaryeh</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2005/12/14/sorry-jews-my-first-retraction-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-20872</link>
		<dc:creator>mcaryeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least we can all agree on Kwanzaa...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least we can all agree on Kwanzaa&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.citizenofthemonth.com/2005/12/14/sorry-jews-my-first-retraction-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-20446</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think Israel does a pretty good job respecting other religions, considering...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think Israel does a pretty good job respecting other religions, considering&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tatyana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatyana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, small aside from your thought - who do you think are minorities in Israel and why do you suppose they are not treated well there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, small aside from your thought &#8211; who do you think are minorities in Israel and why do you suppose they are not treated well there?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muc,

That was an asinine comment and simply not true. But if you wanted to piss people off then you did it. Congratulations.</description>
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<p>That was an asinine comment and simply not true. But if you wanted to piss people off then you did it. Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: anne arkham</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne arkham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, an atheist has no religion at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, an atheist has no religion at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, if it wasn&#039;t such a forced one.  It may feel like the white Protestant male is the &quot;minority&quot; in Manhattan&#039;s Upper West Side, but culturally I don&#039;t see Hanukkah and Kwannza displays everywhere, with little Christmas trees in the corner.  Or everyone going to &quot;Holiday&quot; parties where there are secret &quot;Macabees&quot; handing out gifts.  I would hope that on the micro-level everyone would show a minority respect.  For instance, if everyone was Jewish and Puerto Rican in your apartment building, I would hope they wouldn&#039;t mock you for you playing Protestant music, like Perry Como, late at night.  

A better question would be -- how are minorities treated in a place like Israel or an Islamic country like Turkey.  My guess is not as well as in our country.  Thank god for separation of Church and State -- and a respect for minorities.  Although this Christmas issue is a little stupid, I have to admit, it&#039;s an interesting one to explore because it deals with the role of religion in American public life -- and how to best handle it.  As usual, the issue is being pushed a little too far, and becomes a little victim-like, but no one wants to go back to the days where all children in public schools were taught to sing religious Christmas carols.  The question is what is the best way to keep an important Christian religious holiday spiritually meaningful to Americans without the religious aspects going too far into the public sector.  

Just so you know, I&#039;m also against displaying of menorahs in public, although those who display it say it isn&#039;t really that much of a religious symbol.  I would be more comfortable with displays of dreidels.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, if it wasn&#8217;t such a forced one.  It may feel like the white Protestant male is the &#8220;minority&#8221; in Manhattan&#8217;s Upper West Side, but culturally I don&#8217;t see Hanukkah and Kwannza displays everywhere, with little Christmas trees in the corner.  Or everyone going to &#8220;Holiday&#8221; parties where there are secret &#8220;Macabees&#8221; handing out gifts.  I would hope that on the micro-level everyone would show a minority respect.  For instance, if everyone was Jewish and Puerto Rican in your apartment building, I would hope they wouldn&#8217;t mock you for you playing Protestant music, like Perry Como, late at night.  </p>
<p>A better question would be &#8212; how are minorities treated in a place like Israel or an Islamic country like Turkey.  My guess is not as well as in our country.  Thank god for separation of Church and State &#8212; and a respect for minorities.  Although this Christmas issue is a little stupid, I have to admit, it&#8217;s an interesting one to explore because it deals with the role of religion in American public life &#8212; and how to best handle it.  As usual, the issue is being pushed a little too far, and becomes a little victim-like, but no one wants to go back to the days where all children in public schools were taught to sing religious Christmas carols.  The question is what is the best way to keep an important Christian religious holiday spiritually meaningful to Americans without the religious aspects going too far into the public sector.  </p>
<p>Just so you know, I&#8217;m also against displaying of menorahs in public, although those who display it say it isn&#8217;t really that much of a religious symbol.  I would be more comfortable with displays of dreidels.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Blowhard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Blowhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a fun puzzle. How do we determine the borders that define &quot;minority&quot;? I&#039;m a straight white Protestant-born guy. If we&#039;re talking about the USA as a whole, there are a ton of us around. But if we&#039;re talking about Manhattan, we&#039;re sparse on the ground -- maybe 5% of the population or less. 

So, ethical question for the day: In the city where I spent 90% of my time, I&#039;m a member of a minority. Do I get to act the victim and complain about the various big bullies and their insensitive-to-the-likes-of-me ways? Or do I have to keep all the bitching to myself, because after all those like me are so common in the rest of the country? Maybe so. On the other hand, I spend very little time Out There ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a fun puzzle. How do we determine the borders that define &#8220;minority&#8221;? I&#8217;m a straight white Protestant-born guy. If we&#8217;re talking about the USA as a whole, there are a ton of us around. But if we&#8217;re talking about Manhattan, we&#8217;re sparse on the ground &#8212; maybe 5% of the population or less. </p>
<p>So, ethical question for the day: In the city where I spent 90% of my time, I&#8217;m a member of a minority. Do I get to act the victim and complain about the various big bullies and their insensitive-to-the-likes-of-me ways? Or do I have to keep all the bitching to myself, because after all those like me are so common in the rest of the country? Maybe so. On the other hand, I spend very little time Out There &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muc --

OK, you got me.  I&#039;m a bit of a drama queen.  Only two Jews, one a friend, really sent me an email, both wondering what was so bad about Walmart&#039;s policy. 

I also got an email from someone who is Catholic, all gung-ho about me understanding the kindness of Christians over this Christmas-Hanukkah issue.  

And then an atheist wrote (I have no idea what religion) saying it was the Constitution that separates Church and State, and this has nothing to do with the kindness of Christians, since America is not a &quot;Christian&quot; country, despite what Bill O&#039;Reilly says.  

And then some crazy anti-Semite wrote, saying something I really didn&#039;t understand.

But, Muc, you&#039;re absolutely right -- I took upon myself to take the traditional Jewish stance -- and blame everything on fellow Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muc &#8211;</p>
<p>OK, you got me.  I&#8217;m a bit of a drama queen.  Only two Jews, one a friend, really sent me an email, both wondering what was so bad about Walmart&#8217;s policy. </p>
<p>I also got an email from someone who is Catholic, all gung-ho about me understanding the kindness of Christians over this Christmas-Hanukkah issue.  </p>
<p>And then an atheist wrote (I have no idea what religion) saying it was the Constitution that separates Church and State, and this has nothing to do with the kindness of Christians, since America is not a &#8220;Christian&#8221; country, despite what Bill O&#8217;Reilly says.  </p>
<p>And then some crazy anti-Semite wrote, saying something I really didn&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>But, Muc, you&#8217;re absolutely right &#8212; I took upon myself to take the traditional Jewish stance &#8212; and blame everything on fellow Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: muc</title>
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		<dc:creator>muc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;angry emails from fellow jews&quot;? are we over dramatizing the situation a little? there weren&#039;t any negative comments on the post. 

it seems like you&#039;ve now decided to adopt the long-held jewish tradition of throwing yourself on the altar and playing the victim but i can&#039;t see how anyone would seriously get in an uproar over your points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;angry emails from fellow jews&#8221;? are we over dramatizing the situation a little? there weren&#8217;t any negative comments on the post. </p>
<p>it seems like you&#8217;ve now decided to adopt the long-held jewish tradition of throwing yourself on the altar and playing the victim but i can&#8217;t see how anyone would seriously get in an uproar over your points.</p>
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		<title>By: better safe than sorry</title>
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		<dc:creator>better safe than sorry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh geez, this is a day late.  

Better safe &amp;c: yes, but what would be your reaction if someone wish you a Happy Hanukah, Kwanza or Ramadan? 

By Tatyana on 12.15.05 7:36 am 

Tatyana, if someone wished me a greeting from their culture, my first impression would not be that they were trying to offend me.  if someone told me to f*ck off, i would be offended.  i don&#039;t quite understand how someone that wishes me well, or glad tidings, or whatever, using words from their culture, that i don&#039;t believe in, can be offensive.  they&#039;re not asking me to join, they&#039;re including me in a part of something they believe me, part of their celebration.  is it wrong for me to respect that others have different beliefs than i do and that maybe, all they are doing is offering me something very simple, almost like a hello, but a hello that is part of what they believe in.  i don&#039;t actually understand why merry christmas has become so offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh geez, this is a day late.  </p>
<p>Better safe &amp;c: yes, but what would be your reaction if someone wish you a Happy Hanukah, Kwanza or Ramadan? </p>
<p>By Tatyana on 12.15.05 7:36 am </p>
<p>Tatyana, if someone wished me a greeting from their culture, my first impression would not be that they were trying to offend me.  if someone told me to f*ck off, i would be offended.  i don&#8217;t quite understand how someone that wishes me well, or glad tidings, or whatever, using words from their culture, that i don&#8217;t believe in, can be offensive.  they&#8217;re not asking me to join, they&#8217;re including me in a part of something they believe me, part of their celebration.  is it wrong for me to respect that others have different beliefs than i do and that maybe, all they are doing is offering me something very simple, almost like a hello, but a hello that is part of what they believe in.  i don&#8217;t actually understand why merry christmas has become so offensive.</p>
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