Jeez, this skinny model/actress thing is getting out of hand.  Here are Nicole Richie and Lindsay Lohan.
(photo via D*iana’s Dirt)
Here is Valerie Lefkowitz, a plus-size model.Â
(photo via Judgement of Paris)
Now, honestly, which of these women looks best?
WHO EVER POSTED THEY LOOK GOOD NOW!!!!!!! IS A MORON…IM SORRY I THINK IT’S STUPID. NOT ONLY THAT BUT IT’S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO SKINNY AS WELL AS BEING TOO FAT. I NEVER THOUGHT THEY WERE FAT BEFORE BUT NOW WHAT THEIR GIVING IN TO IS THAT BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE THINK THEIR FAT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR IMAGE. BULLSHIT!!!! NOW TO ALL THE OTHER AVERAGE SIZE GIRLS OUT THERE THINK THAT WAIT…THEY WERE MY SIZE BEFORE, AM I FAT?!?!? MEDIA IS THE PROBLEM! I DON’T BLAME THEM, THEY’RE ARE JUST VICTIMS OF TODAY’S IMAGE OF HOW A WOMAN’S BODY SHOULD BE! TRUST ME I KNOW, I’VE JUST CONQUERED MY EATING DISORDER! AND YOU KNOW WHAT IVE NEVER LOOKED BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE 130 POUND GIRL I AM NOW!
I agree with you that its all the media…. but i guess it warps a lot of our ideals of what is beautiful… like if i met lindsey and nicole in real life or a freind of mine was that size id probably be mortified and tell them they look ill and help them
the camera puts 10 pounds on by the way, so take that off the too skinnies and theyd be even skinnier. the plus sized woman is probably like 100 feet tall heheh, that is why she looks bigger i guess. she looks healthier i reckon, but thats just be. id rather be healthy and happy than any thing else
Can’t we all just agree to disagree?
Some people will like the skinny girls and some will like the fat girls. Wouldn’t it be a boring world if we all liked the same thing?
Emaciation is hot-
everyone else are just jealous that they can’t b like thses adorable girls.
i thought lindsay lohen was so pretty but now she looks really emesciated! or how ever you spell it! all the stars hgave gone through a time like linday if you noticed!
i thinks its just crazy both of them they are WAYYYYYY too skinny…its just scarry
Hello. I am a 15 year old girl and I think Nicole and Lindsay look a little better than the model. I weigh 6 and a half stone and Im a size six but seeing pictures of celebrities who look like this make me want to be thinner. When people on this say that Nicole and Lindsay are gorgeous being so thin that makes me want to be thin. After reading this a few weeks ago, I haven’t ate more than 100 calories in about 2 weeks and I just can’t help it. When people say that these girls are gorgeous, I want to be gorgeous so I want to be like them.
Sorry but I think I have to agree with these people, u can never be too thin. I know I cant.
i think that it is not good to be so skinny or fat. i’m a girl that has always had an obsession with weight and image and i’m sick tired of the “skinny culture” nowadays. if you are not like paris hilton or any other super star, you are not fashion because ypu dont look like everyone does. i think that that just makes life harder for the girls who have eating disorders like me, so maybe that’s what made them fall into that, i justo hope that bothe of them will find out that they are going to die if they don’t change that life style, bye
Hey guys,
I didn’t read all the comments but from what I did read, I can tell we’re never going to come to an agreement.
I’m not what you would say “fat” or “skinny”, my dad likes to call me “petite”. I’m not sure if he’s trying to just comfort me, but I’ve been called anorexic before, I don’t know if any of you have, but maybe you should think about how it would feel to be call anorexic when you weren’t. One of you earlier said that if you could run a football field w/out running out of breath then you’d call it heathy? Well I can, I may be small and “skinny in your eyes, but I think that maybe I’m just a little “petite”. I’ve learned not to judge people by the way that they look, but Lohan, she was SO beautiful the way she was before. Then she couldn’t stand the presure of being a celebrity anymore and got all skinny. Maybe she’s not anorexic, but I don’t think that she’s healthy. The model looked just fine. Maybe they did airbrush it, but she was still heatly. I don’t think she was over weight. My advise would be to put yourselves in their positions before you judge them.
And one last thing to all you guys out there, why should it matter what your woman looked like? I mean…it’s a plus but really. Do you want some skinny thing that would suck to make out with? Or a healthy woman who would be great, but might have a bad attitude because she knows she’s beautiful. Or a little chunkier woman you wouldnt be that bad, and would probably love you because you loved her? Maybe I’m just making a fool of myself, but I would want a healthy guy, who would love me for who I was, not my body.
America’s image is a blond tall skinny model. And half of it’s teenagers are going to grow up wanting to be just that.
Thanks
Of course lindsay and nicole look horrible in this picture. they werent in make-up for hours or airburshed. they’re at a party. people always look like crap after being at a party for a while. and who the hell would like a fat chick? she’d freakin crush you just trying to hug you. but of course, the freakishly skinny girls would feel like theyre gonna break. so, the point is, fat people freakin suck and need professional help. while, freakishly skinny chicks just need a few donuts shoved down there throat, and to be kept in a room until it digests to make sure they dont throw it up. no harm in either one =)
Damn. You people are effing idiots. Valerie isn’t “fat”. She’s thick. And if you’d rather screw a toothpick over a good coosh toosh, ya’ll are smoking some crack, along with Nicole and Lindsay. Go smoke some crack and die. You don’t have a chance with any of those 3.
Emaciated is emaciated, and obese is obese. Somewhere in the middle is beautiful. The only thing about these thin celebrities that really bothers me is the fact that everyone keeps going on and on about how they stay so thin. It’s the big deal made about eating disorders in the media that worries me about the perceptions of teenagers.
i’d just like to say this:
some people cam be bigger and still be healthy, it all depends on bone structure.
and women are SUPPOSED to have some fat on then, not a tremendous amount, but the curves are what make women sexy. and the people who chose the first pecture are great examples of why girls turn anorexic.
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Nicole an dLindsay did NOT look fat before… they looked NORMAL. Now one strand of my hair is bigger than their stomachs. NOT normal. The plus-size model is beautiful. She looks healthy, even if she is a little overweight. I mean, come on, at least she’s not a twig!!!!
i think they’re beautiful. i love this picture and i love the skinny skinny look. SHOW YOUR BONES GIRLS
okay well i weigh 90 lbs and someone said that weighing less than 105 is unhealthy. well your an idiot because i eat every day and im 5’5 and i look perfectly healthy. just thin.
who cares if they are thin, too thin, or too fat?
seriously…
Pics like these PLUS the fact that our whole society is eating disordered and/or has a very eating disordered view made me anorexic…now Iäm in bloody recovery and guess what? looking like Lohan and Richie IS anorexic. u think all anas are 30 kilos? gosh…
btw: stop buying gossip magazines that write how “worried” they are about skinny celebrities….if it weren’t for the dollars they make selling that, Nicole Richie would not be famous today.
I just don’t understand..I don’t even think that model is plus sized. Plus sized is over 14, isn’t it? Her stomach is flat, and you can even see a little collar bone. What if this is her weight with healthy diet and excersize? Some people are made big, some tiny. Their make does not make them healthy or unhealthy. I am afraid of being a girl sized 10 in this strange society. I feel fat for being something I always thought was an “average” size..and its the fault of media, and moreso, the girls who have been brainwashed by it, and spread their crazy ideals of “beauty.”
Right on, Bekah. In many places YOU would be considered skinny. Don’t you ever feel fat at a size 10! Look at the young black girls, a lot of this generation proudly wears tight clothes, no matter what size. That is so refreshing to see. Hope it spills out to the general public one day.
I know this is old news, but I still think it’s sick how being near-anorexia is the “in” thing to do.
Whatever happened to being healthy and beautiful?
I’m only 20 and according to Hollywood’s standards, I am fat. But I weigh what I’m supposed to weight at my height. So does that make me fat? Do I need to be under-weight to be skinny? That’s just ridiculous!
We’re here on this planet to live, not to die from starvation or drugs.
I wish the entertainment industry could see what kind of effect it is having on the young-people of the world…
You know what? Just hearing supportive comments about a plus-size model makes my day. Knowing that there is at least one man who isn’t grossed out by a size 14 woman is enough, regardless of asshole comments to the contrary.
they look really gross!
that bitch really needs to go to the tanning salon. (lindsay)!
someone needs to give them a big mac..with mad mayo! stop at some mickey d’s before going on ur shoppin spree! but other than that..thats it!
I don’t believe anyone should be upset, or feel as if they should be anorexic, just because of the unintelligent comments some people have made. Anyone that incapable of making a coherent, grammatically sound response shouldn’t ever be taken seriously.
I don’t see why people have to repeatedly harp on “fat” people. Do you think we don’t realize we’re fat? We know. And as much as I know some of you hate it, a lot of us don’t care. A good majority of us also eat healthy and exercise, but we’re still fat. If we can accept it, then I think it should be ever so easy for those of you who are thin to get over it. And don’t even start on the “but being fat isn’t healthy” thing. You aren’t in the least bit concerned about the fat person walking down the street’s health, you just don’t like that they’re fat. Period.
Hate has never solved anything and it certainly has never been done in the name of health.
It’s never considered “nice” to say to someone who is “heavier” that they are heavy. Yet many think NOTHING of telling a thin girl something she already knows about her body. I get comments about how skinny I am all the time! It drives me bonkers as I am not anorexic nor am I purposely trying to be this thin. This is a result of my hectic life at this point and partly genetic…just as obesity might be the result of a hectic life and genetics. People feel it’s okay to make nasty comments about one extreme to their face…and behind the backs of the those at the other extreme. Let’s stop the double standard please.
Healthy body comes from good nutrition and physical activity–regardless of size. Yet there are extremes where size usually indicates one of those two factors is OFF! A person with a BMI of 15 (healthy range is 18-25) should be concerned about what is causing their low weight just as someone with a BMI of 30 should be concerned about what is causing their HIGH weight. BUT neither needs to be judged or poked fun at.
Regarding why should a guy care what you look like? I’m not a guy…and I do care what my boyfriend looks like. OUR BODIES are part of who we are. To pretend like ONLY the mind is our true selves or only our “spirit” is our true self is ridiculous. We come in a package deal. There are ugly people who are wonderful and sweet and loving and there are gorgeous people who are mean and selfish. I prefer someone who I can be physically attracted to and emotionally connect with. BOTH are critical.
That said, each man (and woman) is physically attracted to different things. WHO am I to say that Bob should like big boobs or small booobs? OR that Jane should like hairy chests or smooth chests? Don’t we all have a right to find different things attractive?
I say YES. Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, but we must allow the “beholders” the right to choose things we may not like.
Thank you ABT for saying what has been going through my mind over the last week or so. I spent years being asked if I was anorexic. No, I am not. I eat but thank you for your concern. It never ceases to amaze me how people can say it’s wrong to say disparaging things about someone who they conceive as being heavier yet feel that it is OK to say the same kind of things about when the person is thin.
I think lindsay has always been ugly personally…I just adore nicole, i find it amazing how someone can transform themselves from transit trash, to actaully having fashion sense, and knowing how to do ones hair, to bad it took her 25 pounds to realize that.
Lets be honest, i wouldnt say either of em look all that good! im skiny as fuk an hate it. alls i try an do is put waight on an it does me head in.obviously we’de all rather have a body like Kelly Brook so get a photy of her up.
umm deffinetly lindsey and nicole! who wants to be a fatty?! like seriously if i got tht fat i would become bulimic or something sorry tht sounds means but she could go on a diet or something…
ok…this is crazy you people are horrible people…I’m only 16 and reading most of these comments…people saying stuff bad about fat people being disgusting…do you know what that does to our youth?…to girls like me? there are a lot of teen girls my age younger and older that are becoming anorexic or belimic just because they want to look a lil better…that causes them to go through so much pain and problems within themselves and physically…personally I dont really care what I look like..I have friends and they like me either way…but being that skinny is not healthy at all it can cause a lot of sicknesses and stuff just look this stuff up ask a doctor…seriously its crazy the plus size model is not disgusting so what if she is airbrushed or photoshoped or w/e it doesnt matter shes not fat at all and shes not disgusting at all there are a lot of peopl out there who are worse off than she is and I think the people who think she is disgusting just need to be shot or something you are all conceited and could care less about anyone you only care about yourself and your own image…thats what I have to say…I’m not that big myself but to the public they would say I was overweight but to me, my friends, and family would have it no other way…people who think that nicole and lindsey actually look great in that picture and think that they are healthy need to stick it becuase obviously you have no idea what the hell you are talking about…as mentioned earlier its causes a lot of physical and emotional pain…and the people who think they look great like that need to change their view on things…but thats all I have to say…
In the latest issue of Vanity Fair, there is an article on Nicole. She thinks that she is too thin and is working with a nutritionist to gain some of that weight back.
“The average woman in the US is a size 14. As a society we are trained to believe that in order to fit in, we have to be a size 4 or less.”
Damn a size 14?? I could be described as a few pounds “over weight” and im a size 8. Everyone is built differently and you have to keep in mind height and age when it comes to weight also.
the media
is the only one
to blame for their wieght loss
they are the ones
that said these girls where to big
the media is why body image is a huge part of teenage society
the say these girls are to thin
now and before they where to fat
???
you cant win
in my honest oppion they look fragile but the media has put this image in or head that this is the only size that is acepted
you ahve doen this
and these are the concequences
IM MY OPINION FAT OR SKINNY LINDSAY LOHAN IS STILL UGLY.I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SO MANY STOOCHES WHO THINK SHE’S HOT>I MEAN EVEN MY GUYFRIENDS THINK SHE’S GROSS!NICOLE RITCHIE USED TO BE A HOTTIE BUT NOW SHE NEEDS HER CURVES BACK!!!
Wow.
I kind of assumed the question you posed to be rhetorical, but apparently, your readers disagree.
I started reading through the comments, and I was kind of laughing, until I realized it was nervous laughter, at which point I stopped reading them. It’s pretty upsetting. You see it every day, it’s a part of our world, but somehow I guess I’m still a bit sheltered; this is what a life surrounded by primarily amazing people will do for you.
My favorite (as far as I got) was this:
Uhm, not to be a bitch but I’d definitely rather look at Nicole & Uhm, not to be a bitch but I’d definitely rather look at Nicole & Lindsay than that fatty in some underwear.. and she doesn’t even have a pretty face. She looks like Kerri Russell 4 kids deep.
I’m still trying to work out ‘not to be a bitch’ with ‘that fatty in some underwear’. Perhaps I am too literal.
Oy. gimme a cookie and some airbrushing.
Okay, I know this is an old post, but I came upon it in your comments list on your front page, and I’m shocked and kind of horrified at how long the debate has raged on, and kind of horrified at how angry, defensive, and mean-spirited people are around the whole topic, despite which side they’re coming from.
To me, everyone has missed the point. The point is: Why are we asking and so ardently debating this question, “Which girl looks better?” in the first place?
I understand the good intent behind your asking it, Neil, and I applaud your trying to stress that women shouldn’t need to starve themselves to look good.
However, let’s be up front. No one ever posts pictures of the collarbone-jutting Leonardo DiCaprio and….I dunno, the more regularly-sized Benicio Del Toro, or the doughier Tom Hanks, for instance, and asks which of the two has a problem, is harming their body, or which looks best or “healthiest.” The question just wouldn’t come up. Nor, if it did, would you get the kinds of angry, defensive, hate-filled comments toward either individual that you’re seeing here–and I’m willing to place money you would fall FAR short of almost 190 responses.
Let’s just be straightforward: The issue is not which woman looks better, but why are we asking if there is one “type” of woman who looks better than another. We don’t ask this question of men. So wouldn’t it stand to reason that maybe if we stopped looking at women with an eye to assessing which kind of female body type is “better” and just allowed that variety is the spice of life, there would be far less compulsive underating OR overeating overall?
To wonder and discuss the relative merits of one female body type against another can only do one of two things: It either creates a heirarchy in which there is a better to be attained, and women hate themselves if they can’t attain it; or it creates a confusing environment where people argue which is better and come to no conclusion and therefore make women feel bad and “hated on” regardless of WHICH point on the scale they fall on. Obviously, neither of these outcomes is positive.
If we stopped thinking of women as body types, the hatred and insecurity that is raging in these comments would have no basis for existing, and therefore the psychological dysfunctions that fuel the problems everyone is arguing about here would not exist.
Put that in your dress size and smoke it, people.
Valerie Lefkowitz is hotter
those other twigs look shitty
Miss Syl, I think you hit the nail on the head. Thank you.
ARE U GUYS FREAKIN CRAZY VAIL LOOKS PEFECTLY GREAT .SHES NOT A COW, SRY EVERONE IN THIS WORLD ISNT ANOREXICA FOR U F HOLES! GOD SHES CURVEY LIKE A REAL WOMAN SHOULD. IO HAVE A BODY LIKE THAT WITH NO STRACH MARKS OR ANYTHING.LINDSAY IS UGLY UGLY PIGAVERAGE SIZE OR NOT NICOLE RICHIE IM NOT EVEIN GONNA SAY WHAT I THINK BOUT HER!
i think that they both look fine so get over it.
I think most of you ladies need to rethink or read over what you have said..The body types are a person’s scientific classification of a person’s body shape, which is determined by physical characteristics. Genetics determine our body types and hence the body shape we develop from birth through to adulthood. We cannot change our body type we can only make the most of what mother nature gave us. Getting the most out of our body types depends on our diet and exercise regime. If you want to be skinny, you dont have to starve yourself. who has the right to say what is viewed as “prefect”?? NO ONE. I would love to be skinny like them, however I’m average size for a reason. My body is not meant to be like them… and I’m fine with that. I dont understand how a person can say you would rather be skin and bones, then healthy. I’d like to see you have kids being that size.. and I would love to see what your husbands and boyfriends say about it.. guys dont want skin and bones, ask around. If you wanna be that skinny, by all means.. but look into it and work on it, not jus stop eating all together. You’d be crazy. Seriously..
Posting in response to Shauna who made the comment that Lindsey and Nicole are probably 15 pounds underweight, you need to keep in mind that neither of these girls are the average American. And by that, I mean height-wise. I am not sure of Linsey’s height, though it has to be close to Nicole’s, but Nicole is said to be just at 5 feet. At 5 foot, there is no need to be 150 pounds. In fact, it has been rumored that Nicole has only gotten down to 98 pounds, which is on the smaller side of the normal weight scale for her height, but it is still healthy. And in addition, people need to keep in mind that being under 105 lbs. if you are under a certain height, particularly those deemed petite, is still healthy. Everyone’s perception of beauty is just that– a perception.
What is it about being anorexic, or being in favor of it, that makes people lose their ability to spell? Or think that “prolly” and using “loose” for “lose” is acceptable usage?
i think that nichole is pretty every way she looks and i think that its her choice if she wants to be skiny, she has taken it too far but i think she can pull it off i mean im that skinny so autumatically im ugly and disgusting and a crack addict??????? sterotyping ppl you are sterotypers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um…Elaine? I think you could use some more time maybe learning how to spell and less time thinking about “nichole” Richie and how “skiny” she is. No offense meant. But it really bothers me (I seriously, 100% honestly have OCD and spelling really makes me bug out).
Most of these comments are REALLY disturbing to me. I’ll list them in order of how much:
1. The ones that say Lindsay and Nicole look beautiful, the ones from people who want to be more like them, the ones from people who think they look healthy, etc.
→They are CLEARLY not healthy. I could tell that just by looking at them. But the evidence is in their reported height and weights:
–> Nicole Richie’s height is 5 foot 2. This is not really debatable. Her weight is the part that is debatable – however, in order to give some amount of fairness, I have taken the average of the reports (obviously not counting the ones that say 1 lb or 25 lbs, etc.) and the average reported weight is 97 lbs. Using a standard BMI calculator, Nicole is considered underweight with a BMI of 17.7, and would need to gain six pounds in order to be healthy.
I did the same thing for Lindsay, who I actually think looks frailer than her pal Nicole. At 5 foot 5, Lindsay’s average reported weight is 110 lbs. This would make her BMI 18.3 – still underweight, but Lindsay would only have to gain a few pounds to be healthy.
As for Valerie Lefkowitz, the plus-size model, first of all “plus-size” does not necessarily mean fat. It means that person is larger than a size six. I’m not saying I think Valerie is necessarily the “better” picture, I’m just saying that people automatically associate the words plus-size with fat. I did a modelling job last year and I was considered “plus-size” even though I know I’m not fat, I’m a size 6 which I think is perfectly fine.
Valerie’s height is 5’8″ and her average reported weight is 175 lbs. That would put her BMI in the overweight range at 26.6, and it just goes to show:
NEITHER picture is HEALTHY. It’s not a matter of picking which you would like to be better, it’s a matter of choosing what you want your own body to look like (for most people it’s slim {not starving} or healthy) rather than looking at pictures and wishing you could look like an overrated “star”.
I’m doing an essay on celebrity anorexia and Nicole & Lyndsey are definatly in it! We all try to look slim but this is a little ‘of the scale’ dont you think?
The other girl is much better and shows what real women look like, you go girl!
kayy first off i ahve to say that i aggree with most of these ppl. neither pictures are healthy. nicole and lindsay are way to skinnk, they used to be so beautfiul wen they had some pounds on them and the plus size model is majorly airbrushed, she needs to start running or something newyas nicole and lindsay need to lay off of the crack and meth or w.e their smokin and come to their senses
”u no wot…hu gives a toss hu looks betta in da picz…every1 is bound 2 hav different opinions….most ppl shud take a luk at themselves b4 they judge other ppl”
what is that…i think i just threw up in my mouth a lil.
Am I the only one here who thinks the plus size model doesn’t look plus sized? She looks, fit, healthy and beautiful, while the other two look deathly ill. What is America coming to? Either we’re 250 lbs and morbidly obese or 80 lbs and way underweight. Is there no happy medium? There is no one person or thing to blame, but the idea that beauty has a dictionary definition is tearing America apart. No one is perfect, no one is perfectly healthy, either one of those girls could die tomorrow. However it’s 2006 and there’s infomation out there to help people stay healthy,if you take in more than your burn off you will gain weight, simple physics. Throwing up your dinner isn’t healthy, either is eating McDonald’s for dinner every night. People need to learn to love and respect their bodies and that means excercising and eating properly, not throwing up or starving, not eating lots of junk food either.And people also need to learn to treat eachother with respect, especially girls and women. I have a dream that bone day people will not be defined by how much they weigh but by the content of his/her character.
-Margot